From: John Krempasky, Denton, MD Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 01:57:56 -0500 My apologies on no limiting magnitude; always a bit hazy about how to do it, and with this moon, even more uncertain (moon is rather bright, have been able to block out direct view with my house..generally looking overhead. Skies are totally devoid of clouds, at least.) Observations: 6Z-630Z: 24 Leonids, one I'd describe as a "fireball", 2 sporadics/other showers (one amazing instance where a bright green leonid passed on a parallel track in the exact opposite direction of a very slow-moving , orange-yellow meteor, a thumbs-width apart :-) 630Z-645Z: 15 Leonids. They're pretty bright..no 1998 style fireballs, but the average brightness is quite good and trains last a good 3-4 seconds. Worth going out even if your conditions are marginal. Headed back out.. --- Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 03:46:40 -0500 Found I had to continually shift to keep my rooftop barely obscuring the moon as it rose....skies remained devoid of clouds. But during this period, due to my house, I was easily obscuring 40% of the sky I've normally watched for Leonids at that time of night in 98-99...and ironically the brightest I seemed to catch barely peeking over the rooftop. As a rough guess, on a moonless night, not having to contend with the moon, and also being able to have a fuller field of view to the East, I'd guess the numbers below would have been doubled. I had essentially no view whatsoever of any Leonids extending "down" from the radiant to the horizon the entire period (or short-track meteors close to the radiant). Observed from 7Z to 820Z..over time the brightness of the meteors definately decreased. Time Leonids Sporadic/Other Showers 700Z-710Z 8 0 710Z-720Z 15 3 720Z-730Z 23 0 730Z-740Z 8 1 740Z-750Z 15 0 750Z-800Z 13 1 800Z-810Z 15 1 810Z-820Z 8 1 At about 710Z I observed 4 bright Leonids simultaneously and briefly had wild thoughts of the great storm of 2000 beginning, but it was an isolated spurt :-) Within each time period the Leonids were unusually separated into brief bursts, much more so than 1998. Almost all occured in groups of 3-4 within the space of 15 seconds and large gaps in-between. The size of the satellite "cloud hole" over the Mid-Atlantic certainly means that far more qualified observers should have had a good view. Looking forward to see the ZHR calculations....Given that I was able to see 89 in an hour, with that moon, much of my sky obscured by my House, and in a rural/suburban area with a lot of security lights at nearby houses, I'll hazard a guess ZHRs may well have topped 200. After some careful study (and atmospheric conditions did not change at all tonight) I'm estimating my LM at 4.7 for the observations below...this based on the Little Dipper and Orion....Little Dipper has far more significant moon problems, of course.